Buckingham MP

Buckingham, MP

I was personally rather surprise that one of the first job Henry Carey was as a MP of the borough of Buckingham. It seemed to me it was such a young age, considering that he was 21. Then again this is the 16th century were the parliament was a considerably different institution than it is now. For those who are not familiar back in the day election were essentially decided by who was land owner and even there it was only land owner who  own at least 40 shilling worth of rent. A situation, Henry found himself  due to his inheritance, although it was much more spread out than simply out buckhimghamshire.

Unspiringly however the website on the history of parliment was probably one of the most informative thing I've ever found onto our research subject, heck  it gives more about his life than most website.

Buckingham was a place of little importance at the time (its tax payer list were about 111 people a mere twenty years before Carey first time as MP, just to show you how small the electorate was).

Henry was part of the first parliment of Edward VI constitued in august of that year, but only gathered in November, luckily enough it is covered in the journal of the house of commons, though I have yet to find any particular reference to Henry Carey in the journal. When Mary tudor took over, he was actually changed from his position, but would later rejoin sometime later. Henry will actually have more than one job during this time and actually seem to be somewhat more active during his second mandate as MP several years later)

(apparently the national archive have archives on royal ward, but they are out of reach for me, I'M particulary curious about the bit about Carey being fine for marrying without royal consent, something I haven't quite heard of yet or seen anywhere else, probably because no one check that source out for that before hand, it does make me wonder about the circumstance of his marriage with Anne Morgan considering he was under royal authority at the time, maybe it wasn't arrange, but at the same time its rather speculative of my part)

Coming of age

It was in the year 1547 that Henry Carey was considered having his majority, apparently at the age of 21. A rather interesting thing if you consider that in the January of that year Henry VIII died leading to his son Edward VI taking the throne. 

Allow me to wax philosophy here, as it indeed a pretty important year for Carey overall, while he is yet to be Lord Hunsdon,  the rule of Edward and Mary are relatively obscure one for him (you can see how much the fact he was Elizabeth cousin played in his favour, because had he not been elevated at the time of her crowning he probably been confine to obscurity). Still in that year he inherited the possession of his family, both his father and grandparents. He would become a deputy of Buckinghamshire and it is likely the birthdates of his first child George Carey. I think these three will be our next topics for the coming days.

Also I'm giving a hoot to the website  All things robert Dudley who told me on facebook that Henry Carey was an horse officer and was indeed not involve in the navy in 1545, so check them out it seem a most interesting site and quite well research. (They at least seem better than me when it come to writing article). 

http://allthingsrobertdudley.wordpress.com/

(Yes this is me making this article a bit on the fly here as I wasn't able to properly gather information for a more focus article today, Henry Carey a lot more under the radar during the next ten years)

Mariage venue and France

Marriage venue and France.

Well I can't say I have found a good answer as to where Henry Carey wedding took place, however I at least now know a little bit better why I keep getting dead end.  

Should you look at London Marriage License from 1529 to 1869, under the name Cary, you will see an entry who is the same as the previous one from the Faculty office of Canterbury.   Now researching those thoses bits what exactly that in trail made more sense now. Essentially the faculty office gave those licenses for people who didn't live in the same diosece (Which seem likely although unverified so far when it come to Henry and Anne). 

Though there is also the possiblity that they were living at London at the time, apparently license like this were rather appreciated as it could be acquired in a speedier than through regular channel. While it is a possiblity, I am more incline to go with the former as they have yet to show themselves in London so far.

hum that way too short.

Let us finally leave 1545 and go a year forward in time.  The war between France and England as now led to peace talk and John Dudley is the one that is in charge of peace talk, those peace talk would eventually fail, but Henry was part of the expedition.

Look at entry 1235 you will see that Henry was given a reward (While I can't quite tell what the symbol next to the 40 is I assume it mean pound) for his voyage.

What exactly he did there is unclear to say the least but at 1384 I think there is possibly a reference this is the context of a list of thing being escorted with John Dudley in 1546. While not a direct reference to the man it is the common spelling of his name in the L&P.

Horses with footcloths for the Admiral:—The King's Majesty —— (blank), the lords of Canterbury, York and Chancellor two each, lords Norfolk, Great Master, Privy Seal, Great Chamberlain, Essex, Winchester, Warden; Messrs. Comptroller, Vicechamberlain, Paget, Peter, Sadler, Ryche, Bafer (sic), lords Marquesse, Surrey, Oxenford, Arundell, Shrewesburie, Cumberland, Sussex, Huntington, Ferrer, Morley, Wentworthe, Wyndesore, London, Eley, Worcester, Rochester, Chichester and Lincoln; Messrs. Hennage, Denney, Carden, Harbert, Gates, Semer, Darcye, Paston, Longe, Bryan, Hobye, Wellesborne, Bryerton, Carye, Chancellor of Augmentations, Sir Richard Sowthwell, Master of the Rolls, Sir Thomas Pope, Sir Thomas Arundell, Sir Robert Turwitt, Sir Edm. Walsingham, Sir William Sydney, Sir Richard Page, each one.

Though considering that it is followed by a "Chanchelor of Augmentation" it might be the guy at all. (I have a feeling that I am misinterpreting the entry)

On another note I think I've found yet another note about Henry School year around in 1538 at Woburn Abbey in L&P (entry 981.2)

His book against Tyndale and Dr. Barnes, Dan Wm. Hampton, the abbot's secretary, has long had. Mr. James, schoolmaster to the young gentlemen, Mr. Norice, Mr. Carye, and Mr. Hervye, when they were commensals in the house, declared he could never assent to the New Learning, and fell out

Portsmouth bound

Still not leaving 1545 people. Apparently the honeymoon didn't last for long if L&P are to believe. In august 2 1545 (entry 16), Henry Carey was apparently in Portsmouth.  Shortly after the battle of the Solent. 

By Mr. Constable, received Paget's letter showing that Constable is to be placed in one of the fair hulks when they come from London; and, by his letter delivered today to the Great Master, perceives that, because of the disease of Sir Wm. Wodhous, Englos, and other captains who have lately fallen sick, the King will have other gentlemen, as well attending in Court as others, named as meet for the vacant places. In this army knows none meet to be named captains save young Mr. Carye and Mr. Constable. Will tomorrow send a book of the ships now ready to serve, with the captains' names and how many ships lack captains, that the King may determine his pleasure. Have much ado with the Mary Rose The worst is that they must forbear and empty two of their greatest hulks during the business. Where Paget writes that, in crossing Porche Downe yesterday, the King found fault with the lying of the ships, and wished that they should repair to the strait on this side Saynct Elyns Point; requires him to signify to the King that all lie as they anchored by his Majesty's command the day his Highness departed, save that the Great Venezian is brought nearer the haven to take in ballast, and the two hulks Jesus and Sampson are brought to the Mary Rose to weigh her up. Scribbled at Portchemouth, 2 Aug.

Its not surprising that Henry would find himself at Portsmouth, considering there were chance of a french invasion of Britain at the time. However the fact he ended up named as a replacement captain is a little bit more surprising if you consider, how so far he has show no nautical skill whatsoever and in fact he will continue to do so for the rest of his life and his soldiering day.

Is there possiblity that this is not our Carey? I mean aside from the fact Henry is commonly refered to as Young master Carey in L&P, its not real clear (I was draw to this entry because of a reference to it in british parliment entry on Henry Carey). However further reinforcing the idea is that shortly after Henry Carey will join in John Dudley in his trip to france. Also John Carey seem to have been in a position that related to the sea as the volume for 1543, refer to him as a ship captain and a vice-admiral. 

I've tried to find the ship list Dudley speak about, but so far no avail, or at least it don't mention which ship Henry was posted on.

Here additional link on the battle of Solent.

http://www.hampshire-history.com/southsea-castle-and-the-battle-of-the-solent/

Letter, paper and Uncle

I know I may look like I am stalling here around 1545, but after my last perusing I couldn't help but check out check out Letter and paper of Henry VIII more for any reference to Henry Carey or Anne Morgan. While it may look like it simple, it's simply harder than it look if you don't physical copy of the book around. While some volume are on google reader a lot of them are not, same thing for archive.org and while british history online has all the volume, they often do not include an index include an index in the volume, which make research a lot harder. As you saw before a spelling is mostly made by the ears so (at least when it come the carey name) you can't just simply Ctrl+F the thing.

However with some dedication and effort, I've managed to uncover a few things of interest. Some I already knew from history of parliament (though its nice to have more confirmation on the matter), but most interestingly I found out about John Carey. He is the uncle of Henry I've first found about him in Volume 21 part 1 (the entry is from July 1546)

July.       1382. Documents signed by Stamp.

R. O.      Abridgment of bills, &c., which the King caused "me, William Clerc," to stamp at sundry times and places in July 38 Hen. VIII., in the presence of Sir Ant. Dennye.

                36. John Carye, esq., of the Privy Chamber, to have the rule of Kyndewarston hundred, Wilts, with issues from the decease of William Carie until the full age of Henry Carye, his son and heir, "without account or reckoning for the same." Pref. by Gate.

 

I'm surprise that the married, Henry who around 21 or 22 years old, still apparently not considered an adult. Though they  don't seem t be a legal age of majority by that point.

John Carey was the older brother William Carey and a courrier of Henry VIII (I'm mostly basing myself off wikipedia here and L&P , which I could find more source, but not much seem t have been written).  The man seem to have been  a rather dedicate servant of Henry VIII, but I will point out something else. If you look at the entry about John on wikipedia, it is said he died and was buried and while the entry I've show you seem to indicate he was more around Wiltshire in 1546. They are other entry that indicate a stronger Hunsdon connection.

 

In Volume 20 part 2 (1545)at 1035

John Cary, paymaster of Hunnesdon, 4l.

although to counterbalance this if you go back by a few time months he seem to be in Essex.

Volume 20 part 1

1081. Grants in June 1545,

                35. John Carye, the King's servant. Annuity of 20l. out of the manor of Sandoverhall, Essex, in the King's hands by the minority of John Tomworth, son and heir of Thos. Tomworth, dec.; with wardship and marriage of the heir. Grenewich, 14 June 37 Hen. VIII. Del. Westm., 16 June.—P.S. Pat. p. 2, m. 19.

If you keep going around you see him bouncing around the two place.

Volume May  1537 Volume 12 part 1

entry 1330

37. John Carey, a groom of the Privy Chamber. To be paymaster and overseer of the King's works of Hunesdon; with fees of 12d. a day, viz., 6d. a day for each office. Greenwich, 20 Apl. 28 Hen. VIII. Del. Westm., 12 May 29 Hen. VIII,—P.S. Pat., p. 5, m. 15.

Volume 10 June 1536 see him Essex yet again

1256

41. John Care, a groom of the Privy Chamber. Grant of the manor and site of the manor of Chilton Foulyat, Wilts; late in the tenure of Th. Care, deceased, father of the said John. Westm., 21 June 28 Hen. VIII. Del. 19 (fn. 22) June anno subscripto.—P.S. Pat. p. 1, m. 17.

 

Either it's not the same person or perhaps Hunsdon and Essex are close enough for him to allow some mobility, but I couldn't help but notice that it would be around the same time Anne Morgan seem to be serving Mary Tudor. (Though the year don't exactly match, the problem being that he in Essex in 1536 and while she at Hunsdon and it seem only that he is coming in next year). Mind you if there is indeed a connection between those entry, it could possibly mean that Henry and Anne knew each other at a young age (or perhaps that make the family connection that led to the family arranging the marriage), though the exact nature of thing still remain rather obscure.