tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73043313262091906002024-02-20T18:21:42.915-08:00The Henry Carey ProjectPhilippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-65331661640708832292013-12-09T14:34:00.001-08:002013-12-09T14:34:54.092-08:00Going on PauseSorry people, but I won't be posting new article for a while, my quality been dropping and part of it is because is that my approach don't quite work as well as it use to be beause while we can keep track on Lord Hunsdon its hard to make something out of it that fit the form of the blog. The information has gone somewhat too sparse and need more reflection. I no longer think this is the proper format for my work.Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-16616932217110865652013-12-07T17:43:00.003-08:002013-12-07T17:43:46.339-08:00Lord Hunsdon's bard<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">I'll go back on the<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>topic of
Shakespeare and Henry Carey a little later, but when time will be there, here
something until we get to there I think I'll try to dissimulate any thought
that he was an imposing presence in the author life. He was the sponsor of his
troop and one candidate for the famous dark lady was the mistress of him.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Shakespeare exact place in the company was more
minor and actually the bard while he was gaining in prominence was more minor
at the time. I'm not even sure the two had any chance to have interact
directly.</span></div>
Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-91956065686095502752013-12-05T15:10:00.002-08:002013-12-05T15:10:33.192-08:00Watching grass grow<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">One of the few known things that Henry Carey took interest in was
actually Botany. It a bit hard to know just how much it was an interest in him,
there at least one description of those plant coming from the furtherst part of
the earth (<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=29w-AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA844&dq=Henry+Carey+Lord+Hunsdon+plant&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=xQGhUrSeGujesAS58IHwAw&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Henry%20Carey%20Lord%20Hunsdon%20plant&f=false">source</a>)
apparently even coming from south america (<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=y5nkqCbxtjEC&pg=PT47&dq=grass+lord+hunsdon&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=5gWhUuyaFeHksAS9pIDIAw&ved=0CFMQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=grass%20lord%20hunsdon&f=false">source</a>),
though that's far impressive especially if you consider that its a time the
frontier is being redefined. He actually had patronized some work on medicinal
herb (<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=D-yXSHFKc6wC&pg=PA143&dq=lord+hunsdon+dedication+medicinal&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=UQShUr39AarFsAS0ooG4BA&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=lord%20hunsdon%20dedication%20medicinal&f=false">source</a>).
If I dare speculate I have the impression, that with the level of disease he
saw on the border, its not really suprising he did so, though it may just be
personal interest.</span></div>
Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-43682285648894949382013-12-03T19:12:00.001-08:002013-12-03T19:12:56.253-08:00London flat <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">It seem that in order to have a place to reside in London when at the
court (but also to probably ensure housekeeping) Elizabeth lended <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_House">Sommersett House</a> (look
at it the current building is quite beautful, though I couldn't manage to find
what it look like in 1574 at best here<a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Somerset_House_by_Kip_1722.JPG">
17th century</a>) technically the place was still royal property (unlike
Hundson house who was all Henry) . The estate was kept in the care of his
family even after his death as his wife was made keeper shortly after.</span></div>
Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-75291461752168691122013-12-01T12:01:00.000-08:002013-12-01T12:01:13.425-08:00On our way<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Well our work seem to heading toward completlion has we so have nothing
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Here a few things, <a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=xSsAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA175&dq=lord+hunsdon+1578&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=4o2bUpWELYjkoASknIHgBw&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=lord%20hunsdon%201578&f=false">land
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Should you look into the catalogue of Harlesian manusciprit you'll find
plently on lord hunsdon(<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=3aZJAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA488&dq=lord+hunsdon+1580&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=oJKbUoDwNNTUoAT-x4CIDg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=hunsdon&f=false">link</a>)</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Well the closest Henry Carey ever got to my location is indirectly as he
was a sponsor of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher">Martin</a>
Frobisher expedition, mind you he wasn't exactly the most prestigieous or the
main backer or main the one, but he is indeed listed among those that financed
the expedition to find the north-west passage. I doubt he was particularly
enthusiast on the matter as list tend to show that he still hasn't paid for his
part (<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=CjEMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA351&lpg=PA351&dq=Frobisher+Lord+Hunsdon&source=bl&ots=jReqPFxbWx&sig=SXassZMEOy81npyAYOGt4Yq1-vg&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=VB2ZUo7gEdPAoAT-9IDQBg&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=hunsdon&f=false">source</a>),
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(<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=YeMcPYIKNYUC&pg=PA206&dq=lord+hunsdon+Frobisher&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=FB-ZUoDTKIbloASay4LIAQ&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=lord%20hunsdon%20Frobisher&f=false">source</a>),
too bad the guy was 500 years or so too early before the passage was cleared by
global warming. I'm pretty sure Henry wouldn't have gotten there to save his
life considering how cold it was.</span></div>
Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-67867412830173166842013-11-27T17:35:00.002-08:002013-11-27T17:35:56.641-08:00The other valentine<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">A little interesting event that happen is in 1575. Remember Valentine
Browne, the man was the treasurer of Berwick-Upon-Tweed, who happen to have the
share the name with Henry Carey possible bastard son. Well he seem he got into
trouble. The previous year, the soldiers started to complain (<a href="http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/browne-sir-valentine-1589">Source</a>)
and that the food was being crappy. Then again money was alway problem, but it
seem that this time it was enough for the authority to take action against
Valentine as he seem to be more or less accuse of embazllement and he ended up
in the same prison Henry Carey had been sent to previously, though eventually release
several month later he was.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The entry on
Valentine Browne and Lord Hunsdon in the <a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/source.aspx?pubid=1183">act of the privy</a>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">So how about a little overview of<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>the carey children who they married</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">George Carey went to marry <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Spencer,_Baroness_Hunsdon">Elizabeth
Spencer</a> around 1574 and he suprisingly had only one child (suprising should
you compare to his father)</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">John married Mary Hyde (amusingly wasn't Hyde park the property of his
father) around 1576 and was a <a href="http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/carey-john-1617">widow</a>.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Henry Jr wife seem to be unknown, however<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>record show henry tried to get him married to
one of the daughter of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Conyers,_3rd_Baron_Conyers">Lord
Conyers</a> (I suspect he was dead though he probably was dead and his title
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">William was married off to <a href="http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/carey-william-1593">Martha
Turner</a> , she said to be the daughter of Thomas Turner,<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>the only notable I've seen around that time
with that name were MP, but that doesn't confirm anything.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Edmund was married three times once to Mary Cocker and a second time to
a widow Elizabeth Danvers (né Neville) and a third time to Judith Humphrey</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Robert as mentioned previously was married to Elizabeth Trevanion.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Katherine was of course married to <a href="http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Bios/CharlesHoward%281ENottingham%29.htm">Charles
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Margaret was married to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Hoby">Edward Hoby</a>, the two never
seem to have gotten any children despiste being married 23 years together (she
died in 1605), but Edward illegitimate one, he also remarried afterward what
weird is this. According to Tudorplace (who I admit not above making a mistake)
is that apparently Edmund married the mother of Edward wife( <a href="http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/NEVILLE3.htm#Elizabeth%20NEVILLE2">apparently
for political reason</a>)</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Philadelphia married <a href="http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/scrope-thomas-1567-1609">Thomas
Scope</a>. who while she doesn't seem to have a portrait (Thomas apparently prefered to be with his mom) do have a <a href="http://womenofscotland.org.uk/women/philadelphia-carey">momument</a>.</span></div>
Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-72565949111363704452013-11-23T19:23:00.000-08:002013-11-23T19:23:13.348-08:00In PrivySo around 1577 was apointed to one of the highest office in the land 15 years after he was first recommend for it in 1562. I suppose that Elizabeth kept him away from it because she needed at Berwick. Anyway here a <a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/catalogue.aspx?type=2&gid=156">link </a>to the act of the privy council.Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-40024042130510632532013-11-21T15:14:00.000-08:002013-11-21T15:14:12.524-08:00Personality<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>One has to be a bit careful when
talking about the traits of character of an historical figure especially when
centuries separate them. Heck it's a difficult thing to do in everyday life.
Henry Carey being a secondary player in history also ended up making very
little description of his behaviour compare to some. Although there is some
that exist.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Recent edition of the queen
elizabeth (which I swore were not online previously) <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>have extract of two text that give quite a
good idea of how other perceived him (<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=NlacAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA150&dq=Procession+of+queen+elizabeth+Henry+Carey+Lord+Hunsdon&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=hoyOUuLNBcbJqgHohYCoCg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Procession%20of%20queen%20elizabeth%20Henry%20Carey%20Lord%20Hunsdon&f=false">note</a>).
I had seen them previously in their original source, though it is a bit more convenient
to have the put together. Also one thing I've seen him being a bit more vocal
is in a letter to Lord Burghley (<a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=73141">185</a>), but
the very notable part is that Henry demonstrate criticism of Elizabeth pretty
much saying that her indecisiveness over the duke indecision was causing issue
in fairly plain term to it midly (Calling her careless, to the point of not
worrying for her own life and how full of consequence that be for kingdom if
she bite the dust, I wouldn't be surprised if its Hunsdon was allowed more bluntness
because of the family connection) since they seem to be something of a grudge
over his son (not sure which) fell into disgrace with her and saying that (<a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=73140">125</a>) that
she treated her enemies<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>better than her friend.</span></div>
Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-33350670173645453922013-11-19T17:36:00.001-08:002013-11-19T17:36:24.950-08:00Two little things<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Here a little thing from 1575, in which apparently Sir Philip Sydney
apparently heard two sons of Lord Hunsdon had died (<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=hngIsH1gDRgC&pg=PA1356&dq=lord+hunsdon+sydney+1575&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=Dg6MUoCCBeOL2wWyvIGwBQ&ved=0CFcQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=hunsdon&f=false">page
122</a>), this is of course wrong has him and and his two elder son were not
anywhere around Ireland at that time. The note also mention that the events
were in fact pure rumour. Also the other thing is the Thesis yet again (<a href="http://etheses.dur.ac.uk/3811/1/3811_1372.pdf">source</a>) page 42 of the
pdf and 38. Has it provide a good list of the Carey family involvement into the
action of the border.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Ok as you recall we had previously seen a mention on Henry Carey being
illerate. This is somewhat doubtful considering he has a certain level of correspondence
left over, but still it is possible he wasn't the one who wrote his letters.
Although at page 25 of the expansion of Elizabethan England I've notice
something particular (<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=eVAVd3g8UlMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=expansion+of+elizabethan&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=N-yIUoyLE8LN2AWL4oDYCg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=Hunsdon%20gout&f=false">source</a>)
apparently Lord Hunsdon was stricken by the gout <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>and it made his handwriting quite shaky. I
think that may have explaineed why he was later assume to be illiterate.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">There's isn't much of an official date of birth for Valentine Carey, the
bishop of Exeter and presume illegitimate son of Henry Carey, but some account
put his birth around the time of Henry coming at Berwick-up-on-tweed (I wonder
if Lady Hunsdon was still around when that happen) with a completely unknown
woman. He doesn't seem to pop up until many year later around 1585 and most of
his highlight were made after the first lord Hunsdon death. There is some
speculation on the matter if he actually was a bastard or perhaps was actually
connected to a minor branch of the Carey family (though <a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=Ess1AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA205&dq=Valentine+carey+lord+hunsdon&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=tdqGUvTgBeO52QWxuICQCg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=valentine&f=false">Notes
and queries</a>, page205,* seem to be the only place I saw anything about that)
and so far most hint seem to indicate that he was. I saw one small thing in an
unrelated book about the then lord Hundson (who is one of Henry son) and
Valentine being refer to as <a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=7exhEs2y8mIC&pg=PA59&dq=Valentine+carey+bishop+cousin&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=39yGUvHeCeX02QWp34CwCw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Valentine%20carey%20bishop%20cousin&f=false">Cousin</a>,
though I think its a mistake by the author (lineage not really being the topic
of his book and it would be the kind of thing to easily get wrong), but also if
he is a cousin it can be a first degree one as Henry had no brother that would
cary the name. The problem is that there is effectively no way for sure
(Hunsdon clearly didn't count those in his official list), so let us stick to
the mainstream account).</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">His will actually seem to hint a bit more toward bastardom, because a
John Hodson his refer to as his brother (<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=qTA9AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA386&dq=Richard+coke+lord+hunsdon&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=StiGUt7fJqL82wWpjYDAAg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Richard%20coke%20lord%20hunsdon&f=false">source</a>)
and while John the son of Henry was dead for several years and third Lord
Hunsdon, he specifically mention that this goes to his children, which in the
context of him referring to the third Lord Hundson has more sense. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>However there is one thing that really got my
attention.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">His will mention two sisters Lawson and one as Veghelman. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Meaning those two girls are possible two
additional bastards of his. Though I also wonder if Veghelman an actual name
(:P ) </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">He also married a woman called Dorothy Coke and had five sons (<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=KikAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA269&dq=Valentine+carey+dorothy+coke&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=0t6GUuDUKKWF2QWYtIHoAQ&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Valentine%20carey%20dorothy%20coke&f=false">source</a>)
it also interesting to note that if he is indeed his bastard he seem to name
him after a<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>man working under him.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">I strongly recommend reading Oxford dictionnary of national biography on
him, but also here a few more links. (His funeral<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>place is rather impressive.) </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">here some more on his career and life</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">https://archive.org/stream/cu31924029445180#page/n167/mode/2up http://www.devon.gov.uk/localstudies/78267/407.html&s=lu9hLZGDQBX</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">http://books.google.ca/books?id=qTA9AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA386&dq=Richard+coke+lord+hunsdon&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=StiGUt7fJqL82wWpjYDAAg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Richard%20coke%20lord%20hunsdon&f=false</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">* Notes and Queries seem to have a few discussion on the Carey lineage
available to read google book, so check them out.</span></div>
Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-78031715010026269832013-11-13T14:53:00.003-08:002013-11-13T14:53:29.188-08:00Little article I've found<div class="r">
Here something I've found by the Friends of <em>Berwick</em> and District Museum and Archives on Lord Hunsdon (it should give the definitive story on it, sorry didn't put its info when I did the article on it, seem like I was wrong by thinking it was about Henry Carey when in fact it was about his son) and other topic on him</div>
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http://www.berwickfriends.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Newsletter-2002-February.pdf </div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">How bout we
check-up on some of the national archive document on Henry Carey (essentially
all the time he got sue)in and around our current time.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;"><a href="http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C3700347">The
Queen and Henry Lord Hunsdon, Captain of Berwick. v. Tenants of the fishing in
the Tweed.: Right of fishing New Water of Tweed by the captains of Berwick
Castle, and the Queen's title to New Water of Tweed.: Northumberland.</a></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;"><a href="http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C5475055">Description
of Courts: Extracts from Courts, and Burgage Court. Court of Richard Ryche,
knt., Lord Ryche (4 Phil. & Mary). Courts of Henry Carye, K.G., Lord
Hunsdon (22 Eliz. & 2 Jas. I ).</a></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;"> </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;"><a href="http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C3490080">Parties:
Isham v Hunsdon, Lord, and Tottye. Subject: Proceedings on recognizance of debt
County: London</a></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;"><a href="http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C5489140">Archbishop
of Canterbury v Lord Hunsdon: depositions taken in the country</a></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">(wee bit
curious about the last one though there is a possibility that its one of Henry
descendant)</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;"><a href="http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C3700424">Thos.
Jackson, Thos. Burrell. v. Thos. Moreton or Murton, John Crafford, tenants to
the Lord Hunsdon.: Profits of the fishing in the new water of Tweed.:
Northumberland.</a></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Looking
into this I think I might have to look into the fishing around tweed.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;"><a href="http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7829408">Chancery:
Inquisitions Post Mortem, Series II, and other Inquisitions, Henry VII to
Charles I. Hunsdon, Henry: Middlesex.</a></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;"><a href="http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C3774914">Carey
v Twisden.</a><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>- <a href="http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C3775102">Carey
v Pakington</a> <a href="http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7498791">Segrey
v Carey</a>. (land dispute)</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;"><a href="http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C5698243">James
Duckett, servant to Henry Carey, first Baron Hunsdon [styled 'Earl of' Hunsdon v
Robert Garford </a><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>(amusingly he is
style Earl of Hunsdon there, the always chase title )</span></div>
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Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-75846440152629928002013-11-09T14:17:00.000-08:002013-11-09T14:17:24.118-08:00PaintingThey are actually panting and here a few<br />
<br />
National Portrait gallery<br />
<br />
http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portraitLarge/mw126818/Procession-of-the-Knights-of-the-Garter-sheet-4?LinkID=mp71139&search=sas&sText=hunsdon&role=sit&rNo=0<br />
<br />
(he's the fifth guy)<br />
<br />
the procession (seem to have been done after his death)<br />
<br />
http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portraitLarge/mw126333/The-Procession-Picture-of-Elizabeth-I?LinkID=mp71139&search=sas&sText=hunsdon&role=sit&rNo=1<br />
<br />
That engraving actually from the 19th century<br />
<br />
http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw126647/Henry-Carey-1st-Baron-Hunsdon?LinkID=mp71139&search=sas&sText=hunsdon&role=sit&rNo=2<br />
<br />
Similarly Henry Bone painting of Anne Morgan (although quite beautiful), I believe they are partern around other similiar people<br />
<br />
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anne_Carey_n%C3%A9e_Morgan,_Lady_Hunsdon.jpg<br />
<br />
and here a few more<br />
<br />
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Henry_Carey_by_Mark_Gerards.jpg<br />
<br />
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Henry_Carey,_1st_Baron_Hunsdon.jpg<br />
<br />
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1stLordHunsdon.jpg<br />
<br />
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steven_van_Herwijck_Henry_Carey_1st_Baron_Hunsdon.png<br />
<br />
the bbc clai that one from Lord Hunsdon, but I have my doubt considering that the seal on the left ain't his own<br />
<br />
http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/lord-hunsdon-15261596-70887 <br />
<br />
<br />Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-11593044429569762382013-11-07T18:45:00.001-08:002013-11-07T18:45:59.419-08:00Plotting<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">I haven't
(also I have apparently 666 views, too bad that wasn't the case for halloween)
I'm a<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>bit short of time today, so I'll
have it simple. The <span style="mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">Ridolfi plot was an
attempt to get rid of the Queen Elizabeth. Henry Carey had very little relation
to it overall neither in its trapping or its unravelling, but the Vatican
papers does mention him, surprising it put him in the neutral faction in the
event of Elizabeth death. (<a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=92556">source entry
762</a>). I sorta wonder what exactly make the duke of northfolk think that as
well you'd think the man who is Elizabeth cousin, owning his title to her in
fact and just spent the last year crushing a catholic revolt would be neutral.</span></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">Note these are speculation on my part, but I can think of several reason
why he assumed so. One would be I guess simple mistake on their part, simply
having no seen the closeness of the relationship between the two men outside of
the snooping around made by his son. Something not entirely impossible, since he
seemed to have very little personal contact with the man. It might also be that
he wasn't much of a threat in the event of sucess as I doubt that him being so financially
tied to Elizabeth would probably mean he couldn't raise much contestation,
having no apparently no money reserve, there also the distance factor that
probably help in this.</span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;"></span></b></div>
Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-72569093263513061932013-11-05T15:34:00.000-08:002013-11-05T15:34:29.785-08:00A traitor death<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">(While I
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</span>go couple a few years in future issue, I may have skip a few things)</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">So today
I've decide to look into the reason why Henry Carey seem to have a few issue
with issuing the execution of the earl of Northumberland. To give futher
context, what happen after the failure of the rebellion the earl tried to fleed
to Scotland only to be sold back to england for 2000 pounds and sent to Berwick.
(<a href="http://www.luminarium.org/encyclopedia/northumberland7.htm">Source</a>).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Its not really that Henry Carey was a guy who
had a lot of ahead of his time idea regarding the death penalty. In fact
several years later he will say that he is more use <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>with hanging than hunting or hawking (<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=63OJciOXK2gC&pg=PA172&dq=berwick+1575+hanging&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=SHp5UrjDGuGqyAGCk4DgDg&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=berwick%201575%20hanging&f=false">source</a>).
Remember he job involves law enforcement and execution are quite common as punishment
at the time. Weirdly enough should you look at the previous page of the work,
it will say that he preferred to talk hound and Hawks rather than political
matters.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">The answer
seem to present itself in the Memorial of the rebellion of 1569. Page <a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=OXoEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA328&dq=Northumberland+lord+hunsdon+1572&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=vHx5UrSZC-SIygGU_oCIAQ&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=confession%20hunsdon&f=false">331</a>,
sorta start with telling us that Elizabeth asked Hunsdon to use any mean necessary
to get a confession out of him. Exactly what method he use for his interrogation,
a bit hard to say for sure, but the rest of the page give us the answer is that
apparently he though (if I am reading this correctly) that the the execution of
nobleman wasn't of his domain as his he was charge of the warden and of Berwick.
I guess the "Justification in giving him to Sir John Forster maybe that he
was warden of middle marches and so technically the earl was of his territory.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Also if you
want an idea of how brutal the rebellion got Berwick-upon-Tweed: The History of
the Town and Guild will tell you on page 170 that Hundson, Essex and destroyed
90 castles and lay waste to 300 villages.</span></div>
Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-34293760423288208082013-11-03T11:49:00.002-08:002013-11-03T11:49:32.892-08:00Visitation<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">So I sorta
let us move from all the death, treason and blood to go into the lighter side
of things or perhaps the closest thing I've found to a notable event in the
times following the rebellion. Essentially in september of 1571 that Elizabeth
visited Hunsdon and a picture was said made of the event (<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=VOZRAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA288&dq=Elizabeth+lord+hunsdon+1571&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=i6F2Uve5KpHdsASXrIGoCA&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Elizabeth%20lord%20hunsdon%201571&f=false">source</a>).
What particular is that some version of the picture will tell you that the
picture is suppose to be a scene from 1586 (<a href="http://archive.org/stream/devoncarys01harr#page/332/mode/2up">devon's
cary</a> for exemple), you can sorta see a better image (<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=gYEwaJfjMIEC&pg=PA22&dq=Elizabeth+lord+hunsdon+1571&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=i6F2Uve5KpHdsASXrIGoCA&ved=0CEoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Elizabeth%20lord%20hunsdon%201571&f=false">here</a>
at page 18 and it also goes further into how the picture was made, page 22 in
partciular) Here a <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Elizabeth_I,_Procession_Portrait..jpg">colour</a>
version, but the think is that wiki source identify it as something taking
plaace much later and that perhpas is not Henry Carey we see here but <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Elizabeth_I,_Procession_Portrait..jpg#file">George
Carey</a>. I've seen some plae where the lady in white at the end is identify
as lady hunsdon (possibly Anne Morgan).</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Leonard
Dacre had gotten enough time to gather a force of about 3000 people at his
Naworth castle (it wasn't up until 1570 that the english seem to go against
him), his obstination not to leave his stronghold marked him as much more
suspicious. By february 15 it was decided that Henry Carey should apprehend him
and five days later the battle would take place. Hundson however decided that
it was preferable at first to have reinforcement before assaulting the castle,
however Dacre decided instead to follow the english troops and assault them and
act Hunsdon would that was the proudest <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>charge he saw. (<a href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dacre,_Leonard_%28DNB00%29">source</a>),
mind you it might have the only he saw in his life (since this is the only
major battle he was in) . Dacre throwing every he had at him and Hunsdon force
being about half of his. The showdown happened at the river gelt.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Henry Carey
separated his force from the one of John Foster, warden of the middle
marches,<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>leaving him with 500 men and
charged Dacre Foot with horses. Saying his force slayed between 300 and 400
people and captured between 200 and 300.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>I sorta wondered how exactly Hundson could have defeat a force that was
half of his, if previously he had judged that he didn't have people. Maybe his
troops were of better quality or terrain or perhaps there is mild exaggeration.
It seem that once he had managed to stand his ground against Dacre men, he was
in position to flank them and despiste their numerical advantage the rebels
fled .<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>). When things turned sour they
scattered. While Elizabeth was planning to hang 600 of them Henry and local
magistrate decided to lower the number of execution(<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=nZHQITy67Q8C&pg=PT47&dq=Leonard+Dacre+hunsdon&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=0Cp0UuyMNc_JsQSS74DYBA&ved=0CF0Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Leonard%20Dacre%20hunsdon&f=false">source</a>,
who also has the good word put in by Elizabeth for his victory) . He also tried
to preven the execution of Lord Northerburland , a major player of the
rebellion, but to no avail. (<a href="https://archive.org/stream/devoncarys01harr#page/346/mode/2up/search/hunsdon">source</a>)
prefering to send the man to another jurisdiction than to his.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">One thing
that apparently is odd about this is that a lot of Dacre forces seem to have
been made of women(<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=IzE2AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA471&dq=Leonard+Dacre+Elizabeth+I&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=Xyp0Ut3BLMrnsASH7YCABA&ved=0CG8Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=dacre%20hunsdon&f=false">source</a>)
Dacre fled to Scotland and seem to have died in exile a few years later.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Hundson
victory actually his mentionned in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Faerie_Queen">Faerie Queen</a>. Here the
<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=dWE0AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA154&dq=Leonard+Dacre+hunsdon&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=0Cp0UuyMNc_JsQSS74DYBA&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Leonard%20Dacre%20hunsdon&f=false">extract</a>.
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>. I also found <a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=JrgRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA355&dq=Catholic+world+hunsdon&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=ZDx0UsCDOabfsATQooK4BQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Catholic%20world%20hunsdon&f=false">this</a>
who claim that Dacre challenged Hundson to single combat to settle the claim of
the two queen, but its the only time I saw it is in the stray leaves of history,
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>(<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=fjMFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA213&dq=Dacre+head+should+be+brought+to+her+dead+alive+in+fourteen+days&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=VT90Uof_L4-_sQTa9YDQDQ&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=stray%20leaves&f=false">source.
Page 326</a>) but also <a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=JrgRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA754&dq=Leonard+Dacre+hunsdon&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=0Cp0UuyMNc_JsQSS74DYBA&ved=0CGUQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=challenge&f=false">Catholic
world</a> where apparently Dacre asked for single combat with Hundson to decide
the faith of the kingdom and who between the two queens would rule it, but its
the only place I saw it.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">You can see
Sir Hundson account of the battle and a lot about the rebellion<a href="https://archive.org/stream/memorialsofrebel00shar#page/n9/mode/2up"> in
the memorial of the 1569</a> at page 219. Though mind you its actually a though
read because a lot of the text is written by the standard of the time. The
devon Cary also talk about the battle (<a href="https://archive.org/stream/devoncarys01harr#page/n405/mode/2up/search/hunsdon">source</a>)</span></div>
Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-9758777920136519042013-10-30T15:58:00.000-07:002013-10-30T15:58:14.510-07:00Fighting spirit<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">They are a
couple reason why the rebellion didn't last too long. The rebel had a fairly
simple objective which was to take out Mary Stuart of captivity, though that
was taken care of fairly quickly by moving her more south, where her partisan
had less support. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>While the rebel had number
in the thousands, when England had properly gathered up its strenght it could
bring a much bigger fighting force (<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=nZHQITy67Q8C&pg=PT47&lpg=PT47&dq=rising+of+the+north+hunsdon&source=bl&ots=Dh__E-UEOB&sig=p3AlSUEmO96obrrhZtPSW2od6Qs&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=039xUoSxBNTTsASj9YDoCA&ved=0CIoBEOgBMAk#v=onepage&q=rising%20of%20the%20north%20hunsdon&f=fa">source</a>),
but the problem was that it needed to be gather up which took time, luckily for
them the Northern rebels had little support.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>I'd love to say that our dear baron was behind all this, but really its
earl of Sussex (Although apparently Elizabeth wasn't sure he was loyal). The
queen had asked him to stay at berwick when thing started to flare up (<a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=111990">November 16
entry</a>),.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Though the
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most fighting in the war and that because he was in a numerical disadvantage
(and it was in the last moments of the rebellion). Sir Leonard Dacre was
essentially a noble that covertly supporting the Marian partisan while
declaring he was a supporter of the crowd, which enable him to gather up his
force at his fortress. So it was now up to Henry Carey to smash it up.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">Here a
pretty good resume of the <a href="http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Documents/NorthernRebellion.htm">events</a>.</span></div>
Philippe Larochehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03770976116369555159noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7304331326209190600.post-23250122761398388512013-10-28T15:05:00.000-07:002013-10-28T15:05:46.637-07:00Rebellion<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA;">So here
some more general context to the rising of the North. We have essentially a mix
of reason as to why thing happen, most of them having to do with protestantism
of the crown while the local lord are catholic, but it also goes along with a
centralising government against more feudal lord. At the same time you have the
duke of northfolk seeking to get wed to Mary Stuart. Henry effectively an agent
of that centralisation (he himself having no ties whatsoever to the region, but
he is getting appointee to the matters by the central authority in London). I
very much doubt that Henry had any sort of conflicting loyalty here, in fact
the suppressing of the rebellion pretty much get brutal. Though most account
actually put his force at numerical disadvantage.</span></div>
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Most of the other entry are not very interesting at least.Overall you can see
what are effectively the main duties of Lord Hunsdon, Bandits, raids,
maintaining Berwick and havig to deal with the disease and sorta having to deal with issues stemming from the queen of scotland.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Ok sorry for that somewhat overly dramatic title, but today we are
talking about plans to make the first born son of Henry Carey. While at first I
thought it was only an idea that Francis Knollys had suggested for unclear
reason (Personally, I think that he saw it as a win-win for everybody, but no
one else wanted at the time). The idea actually resurface not so long after,
but was suggested not by knollys but by William Cecil. </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">I first saw the matter in french book. (<a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=oyN0f7QnKlQC&pg=PA149&lpg=PA149&dq=Marie+Stuart+Henri+Carey&source=bl&ots=s6mYKmFK7b&sig=2xzT9i0em4az-9Ztxqx7obPwq1Y&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=tpVpUs3-Jo-j4APll4CYCQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Marie%20Stuart%20Henri%20Carey&f=false">source</a>)
around the 25th of september 1570, mention the plans suggest to Mary Stuart
(though they got the name of George wrong). The french also had that should
proven successful the future James I wouldn't get on the throne and that it
pretty much mean a clear domination of England over Scotland. Though it seem it
didn't go much further than some inner consideration on the matter and Mary
herself was kept out of the dealing.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">While it seem most book don't deal with this, Agnes Strickland dwelves
considerably into both Knolly and Cecil plot starting at page 139-140, but
dwelves further more at Chapter XI at page 1954 (Sorta funny how his own father
never seem the initiator, but it is fairly in character). </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">What amusing is that in the year prior George carey seem to have been
involved in investigating the duke of Northfolk attempt to marry the Queen. (<a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=73062&strquery=carey+marriage">entry
467</a>,477, 478) At page 155 of Agnes Strickland test, he apparently told Nortfolk
about it before hunsdon and Mary Stuart. At page 159 you can see that she
relate that apparently Mary would have not greatly dislike it. Though Elizabeth
was very displease with the idea and Henry dismissing it because of his lack of
clout.(I think its the first time I've seen a high level renaissance noble
demonstrating any sort of humility)</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">So let us skip forward to the time of Cecil at page 267 where it said
that due to the risk of her Marrying other European monarch, which made
Elizabeth more open to it, but this time it was Mary that didn't want it.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Needless to say that the fact George spent his time going against the
pro-mary rebellion probably made sure it wouldn't work (Plus you know the last
guy who cheated on Mary didn't do so well, so you know)</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Well you the rising of the North happen in November and well that mean
we got many months of logs before the fighting actually started. Let us look
into the first half of the year. In which thing seem to have been rather
godawful.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Here two link for <a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=111989">cecil papers</a>
and the <a href="http://www.british-history.ac.uk/source.aspx?pubid=817">foreign
Calendar</a> for the part<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>in question. </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">At Cecil 1248, you can see that Hunsdon divert the letter by the Queen
of Scott sending them to Cecil. Otherwise most of what he is going through his
instruction and report of his daily activities. At 1259 and 1260 the regent put
give him the good word. Though he complain about how the defensense are piss
poor (1269). He also complain that they are too Scotsmen in his territory, with
his solution to the issue being to alllow those that work for the crown to
stay, while the rest be banish, this going at the same time as proclamation
that made it quite illegal to criticise the queen. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>he seem to have some legal trouble . At 1282,
you can see he's actually showing concern toward his niece and nephews now that
their mother is dead.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">in the foreing calendar at 116, you can see he's talking about some
disease he calls the Hyves and how the smallpox is submerging the place and at
262 ( may 19), talk about how the treasurer and the marshall are missing and
now everything<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>on him and the very next
month think he won't see them again (292)</span></div>
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