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samedi 12 octobre 2013

Mourn the emperor


Hum I'm sorta running a bit thin of topic for the coming two years years (1565 and 1566). So here another 1564 event (I promise I'll go out of that year). I sorta talked before how England does ceremony for foreign when they died. Well it wasn't just for the french, but also the Roman Holy Emperor Ferdinand. (I Personally I'm just glad I could clarify that point and like) in october

mercredi 2 octobre 2013

Summer in Lyon



You know me I love to show exploit bilingualism and this is pretty much a golden occasion as today we will talk about Henry Carey in summer 1564 visit to France essentially to give the order of the Garter to Charles IX, but also act as witness that the French swore to observe to the treaty of troyes (this isn't the one that ended the 100 years war, but while this is a peace treaty, it mostly for war reparation and the handling of war prisonner, Source)  accompanying him was Thomas Smith (I think its this one, though not 100% sure) and some entourage of people to serve the two.

The meeting took place in Lyon, apparently at the moment King Charles IX was going around the various part of country after his crowning in something called the grand tour of france (not I'm not kidding). One french source say that Catherine de médicis made a good choice picking the place because it showed off France Wealth (source). Amusingly enough when Smith write to the queen about the trip she describe the place has riddle with plague and fever (Source, entry 524). I find rather particular entry 384.5 mainly cause the british side seem to have no real confirmation in May of that year that the King will be there, probably a side effect of 16th century communication. Point 13 of the same entry, is talking about Louis Prince of Condé, a hugenot leader, Henry being asked essentialy to give money to him.  He pop-up later in the visit at june 15, source, where (If I am understanding correctly) Condé actually with Elizabeth)

While the official visit seem to have taken place from june 22 to june 26 (you can find the description of the trip at entry 522),  Henry was apparently in France by May of that year (Source 427) and met with official at Boulogne on june 1 (source 449)

Feel sorta said, but I can quite understand the meaning of entry 487 (which is a shame cause its one by Lord hunsdon, slap himself) part 4 in particular.

The order of the garter was given in the oldest church of Lyon l'église Saint-Jean.  Apparently there was a promise that they would be no mass given (considering this a time of great trouble between catholic and protestant, you can guess why, also the ceremony of the church are sung and use no icon, which I feel was probably a way to be more polite toward the protestant). Interestingly the calendar tell us that should he have to go through mass during that time, that he should stay for as long as long as his conscience allow him, but to return as soon as possible afterward(entry 433).

aside from the diplomatic talk from that you mostly have supper (both with the king and the cardinal de guise), though that probably is diplomacy too.  The de guise apparently giving them celebration of a venetians style and there was a ball for the occasion. I actually counted all the time they occasion where they eatin the description of the trip and they are about seven of them)

According to entry 523, no ambassador was better liked than Hunsdon, well that's nice, though apparently his partner though he let other take his place too much. (If I get it correctly). THe last entry about the trip (566) seem to mention that George Carey was actually part of the trip (he'd be about 17 by that time) but seem to have let him go back to England at some point because of the fear of plague.

Catherine de Medicis own paper refer to the trip. Sending people to meet him by may 26. It is further mention at page 201, though not much detail are given (though I guess I get a positive feeling from this). Also she apparently discuss the situation of war prisonnier with him (page 209)

samedi 31 août 2013

Diplomat



In the Edward VI and Mary Tudor, the place where Henry Carey pop-up the most is in the foreign paper, though for the most part he still something of a secondary player (like always) though its something worth looking over, if only so that only people know (if any other people other than me are reading this).

our first one I' shall bring is from Edward VI foreign paper calendar at page 123 (sadly Henry doens't pop in his domestic paper at least during his reign). its  a tiny referefence of nothing, but I do find it interesting. It is about the 1551 Marquess of Northampton ( I think it is William Parr, brother of Catherine Parr) diplomatic expedition to France.  The reason of the expiediton was apparently to give the Henry II the order of the Garter. 

As you can see Henry pop-up on the list of the member of the expedition, what he did is unknown, but at least I think it gives us a small idea of his level of living at the time, which is definitively above the average to the point he has four servant, a rather comparable to most of the other guy, but unremarkable.

The other one more interesting as it seem the first time Elizabeth directly enter our story, this is in the foreign paper of spain.


It has been said here that the Duke of Savoy is coming hither to wed the Lady Elizabeth, and the nobility have intimated that they would be glad to see this match concluded, and the right to the succession confirmed in her and the Duke in case the Queen were to die without issue. And Elizabeth has sent abroad a cousin on her mother's side called Millord Quarre  to visit the Duke, and he has brought back a report so favourable that it has made the Duke popular with the nobility and awakened feelings of love and hope in the Lady Elizabeth. I have been spoken to on the subject, but have said nothing for the reasons your Majesty may conjecture.


A you may guess there wasn't much of an actual marriage. I sorta wonder how thing went down since its seen from the point of the view of Mary Tudor court and i can't help but think that the might have been some sort of double dealing going on, if we consider the opposing religious view of Mary and Elizabeth, but who know really, I'm probably wrong.